teve Ray is a Baptist convert to Catholicism who likes to wear a bush hat and call himself “Jerusalem Jones” because he’s gone on pilgrimage to the Holy Land, by his count, “almost 200 times.” He leads tours. But he’s really worried that Pope Francis is changing the deposit of faith; and sad to say, such a worry contains its own contradiction. (I’ll get there.) Back in the day, when he was a newly-minted convert, Mr. Ray wrote a book entitled Upon This Rock: St. Peter and the Primacy of Rome. Converts seem always to be rushing out and writing books in a fervor of having Found Truth. These days, Mr. Ray has apparently decided to give his own worries a greater primacy than he gives the successor of St. Peter, at least the current one.
Hence, in an interview with Jon Henry Westen of Fake Site News, Mr. Ray expresses his worry that there are many, many leaders in the Church who are trying to change the deposit of faith. We need to rely on the Rays and the Westens, I guess, to ferret them out.
(The interview is 50 minutes long; and it’s part of my duty as a blogger, dear reader, to listen to such things so that you won’t have to. There’s a lot in there about COVID-19, which Mr. Ray inexplicably insists on calling the “Wuhan Virus” because, he says, he believes in calling things by their real names. But its real name is COVID-19, not “Wuhan Virus.” This is how trustworthy Mr. Ray is. But I digress.)
Two things stand out from the interview itself
WATCH WHAT YOU SAY OR THEY’LL BE CALLING YOU A RADICAL
- First. Mr. Ray describes the deposit of faith as a box of truths that Jesus handed to the apostles and told them to pass on unchanged. Don’t add anything to it, don’t subtract anything from it.
Well, that’s incorrect. The deposit of faith can’t have been fixed after it’s handing on by Christ, because that would mean that the Assumption is not part of the deposit of faith. The Assumption occurred afterChrist’s ascension. Though it might be true, it couldn’t be an article of faith.
No. Contrary to what Mr. Ray tells us, Dei Verbum describes the deposit of faith as having been handed on, not by Christ to the apostles, but by the apostles to the teaching Church. The deposit of faith, it says, “has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church.”
The deposit of faith is not sterile. Catholic converts like Mr. Ray love to ask—and I’ve heard him ask this—What good is an infallible Scripture without an infallible interpreter? It’s a good question. But likewise, what good is a deposit of faith without a teaching Church? The Bible says that the Holy Spirit would guide the Church—not lay apologists—into all truth (John 16:13). The Bible describes a process that unfolds in time, not a sterile deposit.
The truth is that time is change. The deposit of faith is complete, but the Church understands it more fully only through time. St. John Henry Newman tells us that. New questions emerge that did not exist for the apostles. What about stem cell research? What about in vitro fertilization? We need a living Magisterium to tell us how the deposit of faith is to be understood and lived out in circumstances that are uniquely our own. Otherwise, you just have a Catholic version of sola scriptura; call it soli depositum.
- Second. Mr. Ray also says that popes are limited in what they can teach based upon the teaching of prior popes. [So far so good. Pope Francis could not declare the Immaculate Conception or Assumption a heresy.] What this means, he says, is that each new pope has less room to teach than the prior pope.
Now, I’m sorry, but the last part of that makes no sense at all. I’m sure Mr. Ray would say that the Immaculate Conception, defined in 1854, and the Assumption, defined in 1950, are both part of the deposit of faith. Mr. Ray would not say that Pius IX or Pius XII were illicitly adding to the deposit of faith; he would say, and rightly, that they were defining what the Church had always taught. That is to say, Pius XII was not more constrained than Pius IX, and Pius IX was not more constrained than Boniface III, because none of them taught anything, or could have taught anything, more than what the Church had always taught. All they can do is define it or apply it to questions of their own time, but Pope Francis is not any less free in this regard than Pope Innocent X.
Mr. Ray’s explanation only makes sense if you think that Christ handed on 50% of a deposit, and Peter added something, and Linus added something, and so on, until Benedict XVI came around, and now we have a 99.9% deposit, and Pope Francis has so little room to say anything that it’s best if he just shut his mouth and put up a flaming sword around the deposit.
Watch what you say, Frank, or they’ll be calling you a radical. A liberal! Criminal!
THE QUESTIONS RUN TOO DEEP
So I had some questions for Mr. Ray and I submitted them to his blog:
- Is Pope Francis one of those whom you think is trying to change the deposit of faith?
- If your answer to question 1 is “yes,” in which document has he done this or attempted to do this?
- Is it, or is it not, part of the deposit of faith that a pope is protected by the Holy Spirit from changing the deposit of faith?
The good man responded:
- I think he is one of many who have an agenda to change much of what the Church teaches and practices. [I guessed this would be the answer.]
- In all his documents, speeches and talks. They are too many to list here. But anyone who has been watching, reading and observing. [Kind of a cop out, Mr. Ray. If there are this many, name one. Let’s start there. Which one do you want to talk about?]
- The Pope is protected from infallibly defining a doctrine of the faith which is contrary to the deposit of faith. However, one can change pastoral practice on how such a doctrine is applied which does not change the doctrine itself but can nullify it by changing the way it is applied on a pastoral level.
Okay. Let’s pause over that third one. I have some questions about that. If, as you say, a pope is protected only when defining a doctrine infallibly (and the correct word is “dogma”), then how do we know that Humanae Vitae is not contrary to the faith? I find no infallible definitions there. And if you reply that some pope taught this infallibly before 1968, and Paul VI was only affirming it and did not need to define what was already defined, then you need also to tell me where I can find that definition. What year? Which pope? Or am I free to reject Humanae Vitae as not part of the deposit of faith? Can I disregard it?
(Lest I be misinterpreted, I state for the record here that I fully accept the teaching of Humanae Vitae.)
As far “changing pastoral practice,” I can only guess that Mr. Ray is thinking about Amoris Laetitia and communion for the divorced and remarried. That’s the only specific thing he mentioned in his interview with Mr. Westen.
It’s important we be clear what part of the deposit of faith is at stake here. What’s at stake is Paul’s instruction about the worthy reception of communion:
Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. (1 Cor. 11:27–28).
The Church has always understood this to mean that you may not receive communion if you are in a state of mortal sin. But as far as I can tell—and I’ve searched far and wide and high and low—Pope Francis has not changed one thing, not even in practice. Pope Francis has not said it is okay for people in mortal sin to receive communion.
But what he has said—and this is a very important distinction—is that we must not assume that every last person in an irregular marriage is in mortal sin in the first place. It’s grave matter, no question. But the Church has long understood that though grave matter may be present, other conditions mitigate culpability. Grave matter is only one of the conditions for mortal sin. A person must also know that what they are doing is grave matter, and they must consent to it with full freedom of the will.
In Familiaris Consortio, St. John Paul II said that couples in an irregular marriage need not separate, especially if there are young children who would be deprived of either a mother or father. But they would need to commit to continence in order to receive the Eucharist.
Now, I can think of two reasons why a couple in an irregular marriage could have sexual relations but still receive Communion:
- They commit to a life of continence but backslide. In such a situation, all they need to do is go to Confession.
- One of the two—let’s say the wife—is willing to commit to continence, but her husband is not. He threatens her: If you don’t give me sex, I will divorce you. They have young children. The wife acquiesces because she doesn’t want her children to be without their father; she feels that a stable household is best for them. In this case, the husband certainly is ineligible for communion. But the wife is acting under coercion and therefore does not meet the criteria to be in mortal sin. Only local pastors are in a position to discern this.
The deposit of faith is correct: If you are in mortal sin, you must not receive communion. But it is mortal sin that bars you, not grave matter. Pope Francis says only that we must not assume that everyone in an irregular marriage is guilty of mortal sin. Any change to pastoral practice, therefore, does not mean that the pope has altered or nullified the deposit of faith.
HOW TO BE SENSIBLE
I am afraid Mr. Ray is wrong when he floats the possibility that popes could alter the deposit of faith in their non-infallible teachings. A teaching may contain incidental error, but not the kind that would alter the deposit of faith.
Let me explain that. I believe Mr. Ray would agree with me if I said: “A pope can not bind the Church to error—not the kind that alters the deposit of faith, at any rate.” But the Church binds Catholics to more than just the infallible teachings. Otherwise, Humanae Vitae does not bind us. We could ignore it. We could say “I dissent” and throw out 99.9% of everything that popes say. But Christ hardly intended that when he told his disciples to obey those who sit in Moses’ seat (and by logic of extension, those who sit in Peter’s chair).
Indeed the Church itself tells us that we are bound to any teaching of the authentic Magisterium, whether it is infallible or not. Here is Lumen Gentium 25:
In matters of faith and morals, the bishops speak in the name of Christ and the faithful are to accept their teaching and adhere to it with a religious assent. This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will.
So the Church binds us to teachings that are not infallible. Does Mr. Ray mean for us to conclude that the Church therefore binds us to teachings that potentially alter the deposit of faith, to teachings that come with no divine assistance? Are we to conclude that it is only by a supreme act of good behavior on the part of popes that the Church has remained free of that for 2000 years? How many infallible teachings have there been in 2000 years? Have we been amazingly lucky?
But no. Donum Veritatis tells us:
The willingness to submit loyally to the teaching of the Magisterium on matters per se not irreformable must be the rule. … It would be contrary to the truth if … one were to conclude that the Church’s Magisterium can be habitually mistaken … or that it does not enjoy divine assistance in the integral exercise of its mission.
Even when the Church is not defining a dogma, it has “divine assistance.” That comes from the CDF, and it is contrary to Mr. Ray’s insistence that the Church has divine assistance only when defining infallible dogmas.
It is part of the deposit of faith that a pope is protected from altering the deposit of faith. It can’t happen. If Mr. Ray thinks otherwise, if he thinks the Church has done any altering, he’ll have to tell us—in a way that will withstand scrutiny—when that has happened.
Yet one more question for Mr. Ray: Has the Holy Spirit stopped guiding the Church into all truth? And if so, when did that happen and how do you know? If it has, do we need a pope or a Magisterium any longer? And if we do need a Magisterium, what justifies your saying there are parts of it you can’t accept?
In other words, how are you so sure the deposit of faith has been altered, and how do you know that you are not mistaken? Doesn’t that amount to being your own pope?
The Holy Spirit guides the Church into all truth; it does not guide Steve Ray into all truth. Therefore, if there is something you just can’t—in your own intellect—reconcile, isn’t it possible that the error is yours and not the pope’s?
I’m a convert too, like Mr. Ray. There was a point in my conversion when I had solved a great deal of my difficulties with Catholic teaching, but a few problems lingered. One question I had settled was that the Church has the authority from Christ to teach what it teaches.
One day, I realized that, if that were true, any lingering problems I had were my own error, and not the Church’s. And I needed to figure out what my error was and not presume to instruct the pope.
I still try to follow that principle.
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Update. I am so shocked—shocked!—that Fake Site News was banned from YouTube and the interview with Mr. Ray is no longer available.
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