The pope, an Anglican, and a Pentecostal walk into a bar; or, the state of ecumenism at the present time.

BY: Henry Matthew Alt • February 25, 2014 • Apologetics; Pope Francis

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o the pope record­ed a video on an iPhone for a meet­ing of Pen­te­costals led by TV evan­ge­list Ken­neth Copeland. You may have heard this. His theme was ecu­menism and the broth­er­hood of all Chris­tians. It was an infor­mal, hon­est, and deeply-felt plea for uni­ty; and it was indeed mov­ing to see a Protes­tant audi­ence pray­ing for the pope as a fel­low Chris­t­ian. Who writes that script? Catholic blogs and social media talked about it all week­end, after Aggie Catholics post­ed the orig­i­nal sto­ry on Thurs­day. Some (like Eliz­a­beth Scalia) were moved to tears of joy. Oth­ers (like Fr. Dwight Lon­ge­neck­er [in a post since removed—SEA, 8/11/19] and Brant­ly Mil­le­gan here) urged caution—not because of the pope but because of the mid­dle­man. Oth­ers, of an über-Tra­di­tion­al­ist bent, pre­dictably rent their gar­ments. (See this arti­cle by Louie Ver­rec­chio of Har­vest­ing the Nuts.)

Here is how it all came to pass. Tony Palmer, an Angli­can bish­op of the Com­mu­nion of Evan­gel­i­cal Epis­co­pal Church­es (CEEC), is a long­time friend of both Mr. Copeland and Pope Fran­cis. He has worked for years in the inter­est of ecu­meni­cal dia­logue between Protes­tants and Catholics. When last in Rome, he met with the pope and told him of the work he was doing with Ken­neth Copeland Min­istries. The pope for his part said he would record some words for KCM as a ges­ture of Chris­t­ian fra­ter­ni­ty and good will and the hope that we may once more be one. The bish­op then brought the video, edit­ed and with sub­ti­tles, to be played at one of Mr. Copeland’s record­ed gath­er­ings.

The full video, which is 45 min­utes long but should be watched in full, is (to be frank) a com­plex and remark­able mix of truth, good will, gen­uine ecu­meni­cal long­ing, but at the same time dan­ger­ous error. None of the error, how­ev­er, was on the part of the pope; almost all of it was on the part of Bish­op Palmer. But it was he who pro­vid­ed Mr. Copeland’s audi­ence with the con­text and fram­ing of the pope’s words (before they were played), and thus it was he who had the pow­er to shape their impres­sion of all that the pope thought and meant.

WHAT THE POPE SAID

For this rea­son, we must come to the pope’s words first, apart from how the bish­op framed them. Mr. Ver­rec­chio calls them “con­fus­ing, a dan­ger to souls, and utter­ly irre­spon­si­ble,” but that’s a very hard judg­ment to sus­tain against what is lit­tle more than the heart­felt desire for Chris­t­ian uni­ty. If we are not pray­ing along with Christ that we may all be one, we should peer into our own hearts to see how black. Fran­cis does not say what he thinks would be required for uni­ty to actu­al­ly take place.

Here is what the pope did say; he begins by apol­o­giz­ing that he can­not speak Eng­lish, but says that he will speak from the heart.

[There are] two rules: Love God above all, and love the oth­er because he is your broth­er and sis­ter [Matt. 22:36–40]. With these two rules we can go ahead.”

[That sounds very much as though the pope means only this: that to say we are broth­ers is a start­ing point for fur­ther dia­logue.]

I am here with my broth­er bish­op Tony Palmer. [This “broth­er bish­op” part was what most per­turbed Mr. Ver­rec­chio.] We’ve been friends for years. He told me about your con­fer­ence … and it’s my plea­sure to greet you—a greet­ing both joy­ful and [full of long­ing.

It is] joy­ful because it gives me joy that you have come togeth­er to wor­ship Jesus Christ the only Lord and to pray to the Father and receive the Spir­it. [What­ev­er else our dif­fer­ences, our broth­er­hood is based on shared belief in Jesus Christ.] This brings me joy because we can see that God is work­ing all over the world.

“[It is full of long­ing] because [like many fam­i­lies] we are, per­mit me to say, sep­a­rat­ed. It is sin that has sep­a­rat­ed us—all our sins [and] mis­un­der­stand­ings through­out his­to­ry. It has been a long road of sins that we [have] all shared in. Who is to blame? We all share the blame. We have all sinned. There is only one blame­less, the Lord.”

[Although the Catholic Church has the full­ness of truth, it is self-right­eous to blame only the sins of Protes­tants for what has kept us apart these last 500 years.]

“I long that this sep­a­ra­tion comes to an end and gives us com­mu­nion. I yearn for that embrace.” [And any­one who would not is like the bit­ter broth­er in the para­ble.]

Here the pope, to illus­trate his point, tells the sto­ry of Joseph and his broth­ers:

We have a lot of cul­tur­al rich­es and reli­gious rich­es, and we have diverse tra­di­tions. But we have to encounter one anoth­er as broth­ers. [That is the heart of the pope’s mes­sage to Pen­te­costals.] We must cry togeth­er like Joseph did. These tears will unite us. … I am speak­ing to you as a broth­er; I speak to you in a sim­ple way, with joy and yearn­ing. Let us allow our yearn­ing to grow because this will pro­pel us to find each oth­er, to embrace one anoth­er and togeth­er to wor­ship Jesus Christ as the only Lord of his­to­ry.

Here the pope thanks the audi­ence for lis­ten­ing to him and asks that they pray for each oth­er.

And let’s pray to the Lord that He unites us all. Come on, we are broth­ers.

I find noth­ing “con­fus­ing” or “dan­ger­ous” or “irre­spon­si­ble” about any of that. The pope says that Protes­tants are our brothers—separated, but brothers—which the very Cat­e­chism itself affirms. Here are para­graphs 818–819:

[O]ne can­not charge with the sin of the sep­a­ra­tion those who at present are born into these com­mu­ni­ties [that result­ed from such sep­a­ra­tion] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affec­tion as broth­ers.” [That would include Bish­op Palmer and Mr. Copeland.]

All who have been jus­ti­fied by faith in Bap­tism are incor­po­rat­ed into Christ; they there­fore have a right to be called Chris­tians, and with good rea­son are accept­ed as broth­ers in the Lord by the chil­dren of the Catholic Church.

Fur­ther­more, many ele­ments of sanc­ti­fi­ca­tion and of truth [are found out­side the vis­i­ble con­fines of the Catholic Church]: the writ­ten Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and char­i­ty, with the oth­er inte­ri­or gifts of the Holy Spir­it, as well as vis­i­ble ele­ments.”

[Note this, now:] Christ’s Spir­it uses these Church­es and eccle­sial com­mu­ni­ties as means of sal­va­tion, whose pow­er derives from the full­ness of grace and truth that Christ has entrust­ed to the Catholic Church. All these bless­ings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in them­selves calls to “Catholic uni­ty.

The pope says that the basis for our broth­er­hood is our shared faith in Jesus Christ, and he express­es a desire for our divi­sions to come to an end. That is not con­fus­ing, dan­ger­ous, or irre­spon­si­ble. It is what the Cat­e­chism says, and it is the same prayer Christ Him­self prayed in John 17:21. St. Paul asks the same of us (1 Cor. 1:10).

Mr. Ver­rec­chio wants us all to know how egre­gious he thinks it is that the pope would call “a man­i­fest heretic” his broth­er bish­op. I am lost as to where Fran­cis says any­thing one way or anoth­er about Bish­op Palmer’s doc­trine, and I am con­tent to accept that he meant the word “broth­er” in the same sense the Cat­e­chism means it. Mr. Ver­rec­chio, all of law and none of grace, has no basis to imply oth­er­wise.

WHAT THE BISHOP SAid

But what Bish­op Palmer said does need to be refut­ed, the more so because he defined for Mr. Copeland’s audi­ence of Pen­te­costals the sense in which they should under­stand the pope’s words. And he made three state­ments that, it should be clear, are man­i­fest error. The first is that the Luther­an-Catholic debate on how one is made right before God is over. The sec­ond is that the Catholic Church in Luther’s time taught that we are jus­ti­fied by works. And the third is that our doc­trines do not mat­ter and that, so long as we are one, God will sort them out when we get to Heav­en.

On the first point, Bish­op Palmer quot­ed these words (arti­cle 15) from the Joint Dec­la­ra­tion on the Doc­trine of Jus­ti­fi­ca­tion, signed by both the Luther­an World Fed­er­a­tion and the Catholic Church:

By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s sav­ing work and not because of any mer­it on our part, we are accept­ed by God and receive the Holy Spir­it, which renews our hearts while equip­ping and call­ing us to good works.

“The protest is over!” Bish­op Palmer bald­ly declared—which would be news to not a few Protes­tants, as well as the Catholic Church itself. For what he did not say was that the Church issued a cor­rec­tive state­ment to point out that “we can­not yet speak of a con­sen­sus” between Luther­ans and Catholics on the top­ic of jus­ti­fi­ca­tion. For though “the lev­el of agree­ment is high, it does not yet allow us to affirm that all dif­fer­ences sep­a­rat­ing Catholics and Luther­ans in the doc­trine con­cern­ing jus­ti­fi­ca­tion are sim­ply a ques­tion of empha­sis or lan­guage. .… [T]he diver­gences on oth­er points must … be over­come before we can affirm … that these points no longer incur the con­dem­na­tions of the Coun­cil of Trent.”

That is impor­tant, that Trent is not null. The Catholic Church does not now teach that we are jus­ti­fied by faith alone. “The good works of jus­ti­fi­ca­tion,” the Church says, “are also the fruit of man, jus­ti­fied and inte­ri­or­ly trans­formed. We can there­fore say that eter­nal life is, at one and the same time, grace and the reward giv­en by God for good works and mer­its.”

Nor did the Catholic Church at any time teach that we are jus­ti­fied by works. That is the heresy of Pela­gian­ism, and it was con­demned by the Coun­cil of Carthage in 418. The Coun­cil of Trent like­wise con­demned it, in its very first canon on jus­ti­fi­ca­tion:

If any­one saith, that man may be jus­ti­fied before God by his own works, whether done through the teach­ing of human nature, or that of the law, with­out the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anath­e­ma.

So the bish­op mis­leads his audi­ence about the Catholic teach­ing on how we are jus­ti­fied, as well as the present state of the dis­cus­sion between Catholics and Luther­ans on this point. In char­i­ty, that was like­ly not a delib­er­ate false­hood, and the bish­op is prob­a­bly just con­fused. The prob­lem is that the audi­ence may well inter­pret all of that as the cur­rent teach­ing of Pope Fran­cis and the Catholic Church, even though it is not. The pope has said noth­ing of the kind. And Church teach­ing has not, does not, and can not change.

Moroev­er, it is a damnable heresy that our dif­fer­ences on doc­trine do not mat­ter and that God will sort them all out in Heav­en. Christ tells us (John 4:24) that God must be wor­shipped in spir­it and in truth. If doc­trine did not mat­ter, then there would have been no need for Christ to send the Holy Spir­it to lead the Church “into all the truth” (John 16:13). If doc­trine does not mat­ter in the con­text of Chris­t­ian uni­ty, then what did Paul mean when he said that we must be uni­fied “in one mind and one judg­ment” (1 Cor. 1:10)?

It mat­ters a great deal, for exam­ple, whether we accept the doc­trine of the Trin­i­ty. It mat­ters a great deal whether we accept that Jesus Christ is God. It mat­ters a great deal what our canon of Scrip­ture is, and whether we hold it to be infal­li­ble. It mat­ters a great deal what our doc­trine is on the author­i­ty of the pope. St. Paul cer­tain­ly thought it mat­tered that the Gala­tians had been seduced by “anoth­er gospel” (Gal. 1:8). There is no basis in Scrip­ture, or in the teach­ing of the Church, for this idea that doc­trine does not mat­ter. Christ sends the Church the Holy Spir­it so that our doc­trine can be sort­ed out here, in this life.

More­over, what­ev­er the opin­ion of Bish­op Palmer, Pope Fran­cis has clear­ly said that fideli­ty to the whole of Church teach­ing is an impor­tant part of what it means to belong to the Church. Doc­trine, he said (as recent­ly as Jan­u­ary) must be “safe­guard­ed.” So it is mis­lead­ing for the bish­op to have intro­duced Pope Fran­cis’s words with a dis­cur­sion on how doc­trine is a side issue.

Indeed, the very fact that Catholics and Luther­ans have spent so much time dis­cussing their dif­fer­ences on how we are jus­ti­fied implies that before we can be in com­mu­nion with each oth­er we must first work out the truth of this point. We may be broth­ers, but with­out doc­tri­nal uni­ty we remain sep­a­rat­ed broth­ers.

To cry togeth­er, to say we are broth­ers, to long to be one, is good and nec­es­sary. But there is no rea­son to mis­lead Protes­tants and Catholics into the thought that uni­ty is no more than warm feel­ings, or that it does not require long and tough argu­ments. Love will get us through the tough argu­ments, but we must have the tough argu­ments and the frank ones.

WHAT THE PENTECOSTAL SAID

I want to say a few words here about pray­ing in tongues, because there is con­fu­sion about what the Catholic posi­tion is on this point. The Catholic posi­tion is (as Tim Sta­ples points out on Catholic Answers Live) that there is none. The Church has nev­er dog­mat­i­cal­ly defined the issue, which means that Catholics are at lib­er­ty to believe what they choose.

But my own posi­tion on tongues (do not take it for dog­ma) is the same as that of St. Augus­tine and St. Thomas Aquinas. Both said that the charism of tongues was for the first cen­tu­ry Church and that it has since passed away. St. Paul said that the gift of tongues would pass away (1 Cor. 13:8), and he gave oth­er rules for their use that are not observed by Pen­te­costal church­es today. It is clear, when you read the New Tes­ta­ment, that to speak in tongues meant to speak, all of a sud­den, in a real and known lan­guage that the speak­er nev­er spoke before. The pur­pose, at the time, was the evan­ge­liza­tion of oth­er nations who spoke oth­er lan­guages. Tongues nev­er meant gib­ber­ish and should nev­er have come to mean gib­ber­ish. Those who talk in “tongues” today “speak into the air” (1 Cor. 14:9).

Still, we must not—as Mr. Ver­re­chio does—sneer at Mr. Copeland’s use of tongues when pray­ing for the pope. The ges­ture must be under­stood in light of what Mr. Copeland believes he is doing when he prays in tongues. He tru­ly believes he is call­ing down the Holy Spir­it’s gifts and care upon the pope.

An anal­o­gy will help. Many Protes­tants think that the Mass is gib­ber­ish, and thus take offense when a Catholic has a Mass said for them. Many take offense when a Catholic sim­ply prays for them. They recoil at the mere thought. But what this sort of anti-Catholic does not under­stand is that, from the Catholic point of view, to have a Mass said for some­one is the high­est act of love that can be imag­ined. Or, if he does under­stand, he spurns love.

Like­wise, for a Pen­te­costal to pray for you in tongues is the high­est spir­i­tu­al act that he can con­ceive. So the sight of Ken­neth Copeland pray­ing in tongues for the pope is remark­able in a way that tran­scends doc­tri­nal dif­fer­ences on this point. For it is an assent, on Mr Copeland’s part, that the pope is Chris­t­ian, that his wit­ness mat­ters, that he ought to be prayed for, and that “the uni­ty of the body of Christ” is a high goal. I was not brought up in an espe­cial­ly anti-Catholic church, but we nev­er thought to pray for the pope. This is a big deal.

WHAT ARE WE TO SAY?

What we must not say is what Mr. Ver­rec­chio says, which is that the bish­op is “a man­i­fest heretic” and there­fore not our broth­er. To say that is to be the bit­ter broth­er in the para­ble of the Prodi­gal Son. The prodi­gal son was still a son and still a broth­er in spite of his sep­a­ra­tion. In 1994, when the doc­u­ment Evan­gel­i­cals and Catholics Togeth­er was signed, many anti-Catholics railed about how “the Roman Catholic is not my broth­er in Christ.” They would not sign it. They wrote books and preached ven­om. When Tra­di­tion­al­ists like Mr. Ver­rec­chio say the same today in response to words of fra­ter­ni­ty and char­i­ty by the pope, they are no bet­ter than our bit­ter anti-Catholic broth­ers. (How­ev­er far gone they are in hatred of the Catholic Church, they are still our broth­ers and should have our prayers.)

Mutu­al con­sent between Protes­tants and Catholics that they are broth­ers sep­a­rat­ed by sin and a lot of false doc­trine, and that we should pray and work for uni­ty, is a strong and impor­tant first step. It ought to be rejoiced in.

At the same time, the nat­ur­al and nec­es­sary right to rejoice should not make us naive or lead us into delu­sions. The fact does remain that Bish­op Palmer’s words were full of error and false hope. Doc­trine does mat­ter; and though we affirm our broth­er­hood in Christ, those dif­fer­ences need to be addressed. What we see in the video is that the import of the pope’s words are first mis­con­strued by the bish­op, and then (in spite of Mr. Copeland’s admirable good inten­tions) used as an occa­sion for prayer that is, objec­tive­ly speak­ing, gib­ber­ish.

If ecu­menism is to go forward—and one always prays it does—it will not go well along such paths.

The pope, an Angli­can, and a Pen­te­costal walk into a bar. The pope says, “Come, we are broth­ers.” The Angli­can says, “Doc­trine does not mat­ter.” The Pen­te­costal says, “Falle cam­para la pe muro teley ash­casay.”

That is the state of ecu­menism at the present time.


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